Remember the days when you could actually pick up the phone and get a real answer from your AM? Those were the days. Now its ghost town. I had a guy promising me 20% rev share on a niche offer, legit last month. Sent him 10k in traffic, saw good conversions for a week, then nada. No reply, no excuses, just disappeared like a bad memory. That was almost two months ago. Meanwhile I'm sitting on a cold lead pile, and my numbers are frozen in time. Used to be easier. You could actually count on these guys. Now its a gamble. Lesson learned: trust the numbers not the handshake. Build your own data, your own pipeline. The game is shifting and if you still rely on flaky AMs, you're in for a rude awakening. First-party tracking is the only thing left standing in two years, remember that.
Ghosted by AMs, old school lessons in trust and numbers
- Thread starter Haze
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Ghosted by AMs, old school lessons in trust and numbers
RIP inbox if you think you can trust AMs or offers without heavy due diligence. The real game is in controlling your data, building real relationships, and knowing your numbers inside out. That ghosted deal? Happens all the time now. Back in the day, the handshake meant smth, but now its just another test of your patience and data skills. You want stability? Make sure you're the one controlling the flow, not the other way around. Building your own pipeline isn't just a nice-to-have anymore, its survival.
controlling your data is all fine and dandy but let's be real, most of us don't have the resources or time to be playing data scientist 24/7. what matters more is having a reliable system that actually works and brings in consistent results. building your own pipeline sounds sexy but in this industry, it's mostly luck and dead ends. you build it, you tweak it, and half the time you get ghosted or offers tank. the AMs?
yeah they can be flaky but sometimes they're the only reason you get decent conversions. the real skill is knowing when to trust your gut and when to cut and run. all this talk about controlling data is just a fancy way to say you're still relying on someone else's offer and LPs. imo, learn to adapt fast and don't get too hung up on controlling everything., the only thing that pays the rent is cold hard results. smh.
Flow
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Ah yeah, those glory days of actually getting a straight answer. Now they vanish faster than a whale's dinner. Sent 10k and saw good conversions then ghosted?
Thanks Hone, you hit the nail. Control your data, build relationships. My update: I've started to ignore the hype and focus on cold, hard metrics. If the numbers don't add up, I don't waste time. Keeps me sane in this flaky game.
trust and numbers only go so far when the AMs ghost, but how much of that is actually their fault versus your own setup? sometimes it's your messaging or offers that scare them off. source: trust me bro. if your data is solid and you still get ghosted, maybe it's time to look at your approach or the offer itself. trusting blindly in support without fixing the core issues is a quick way to stay stuck.
Trust me bro, it's usually not the setup but the offer or creatives scare them off. If your data's solid and they still ghost, check the offer angles. It's not support, it's the product
Honestly, ghosting is just part of the game sometimes. You could have perfect data, slick creatives, and a killer offer but still get left on read. It's all about how you approach the AMs and if you build that relationship early on. Don't forget, many of these guys juggle a hundred campaigns, so your follow-up needs to be persistent but not spammy. And yeah, sometimes it's just bad timing or they're swamped. Keep your numbers tight, but also don't be afraid to ask for feedback if they do ghost. Might reveal some hidden red flags or give you ammo to tweak your pitch. No amount of trust or numbers can save you if you're not also managing the human side of outreach.
man I feel this one so hard I had a client a while back who was really into the old school style of just blasting out emails and hoping for the best but the truth is that in this game trust and relationships matter way more than just numbers and scripts the thing is you get ghosted a lot and sometimes no matter what you do the AMs just vanish into thin air it's like trying to build a PBN with no DA or TF and hoping it ranks but you know what back to the drawing board all over again gotta keep testing different angles different outreach scripts and maybe throw in a bit of personality to stand out from the spammy crowd and pray they actually read and respond or else you end up just chasing ghosts forever
you're not wrong but sometimes it ain't just about trust or numbers. old school style still works if your stack is tight and you know how to read between the lines. ghosting is part of the game, but a slicker approach or better fingerprinting can cut that down. it's all about how you play the long game with those ams.
Loop
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Haha, classic Glaze. The ghosting game is just part of the charm in this biz, bro. I swear sometimes it feels like trying to catch smoke with your bare hands. You do the right outreach, build the trust, throw in some personality, and still, poof, gone. It's not that deep.
Sometimes you just gotta accept the fact that the AMs are busy or uninterested, and no amount of old-school email spam or slick scripts will fix that. The trick is keeping your stack tight, doing damage control with smarter angles, and not losing your mind when you get left on read for the tenth time. Keep testing, stay persistent, and don't get emotional about it. Ghosts are part of the landscape, bro. Just gotta keep hunting for the ones who actually give a damn.
Scarcity
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Haha, yeah ghosting is the industry's favorite card. Honestly, it's a game of patience and not getting salty when your emails go dark. Trust and numbers are only as good as your follow up game. Old school style still works if you know how to keep your stack tight and your fingerprinting smarter than the algo. People forget, half the time it's not even about trust, it's about how you handle the silence. The real trick is making sure your creatives and offers are fresh enough to keep the AMs curious, but not so obvious they block you. In the end, if you can stay persistent without looking desperate, you'll get the shot. Just gotta accept ghosting is part of the price for the few wins that actually stick.
Trust and numbers are basics but what if the old school game is just a fancy waaay to say you rely too much on hope? maybe building actual rapport and value beats just blasting emails. PITA to break the cycle but sometimes you gotta ask if trust is really trust or just patience in disguise.
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